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I got my new toy (the Palm) on Friday. At 5:30 on Friday, which is after sunset.

The UPS man understands this neighborhood. "Mrs. Baker, will you hold on to these?" I say, "Yes." He gives them to me. I take them upstairs. One is my Lush order - moisturizer, shower gels, hair care. The other is from Amazon. Both have to wait until after Shabbat because, well, can't open packages and can't move things you can't use. I kinda put them on the floor and that's that.

And then I mostly forget them because, well. Can't do anything about it. But I spent the last two hours of Shabbat counting minutes.

As soon as I could, I opened the boxes. I plugged in the Toy, and that's that for three hours. I took a shower with my new cosmetics. I smell like lavender now. Lavender with just a hint of patchouli.

Current Mood: cheerfulcheerful

I find mine has been a slice of peace for info and reading/editing.

Good sites to get programs are
http://www.palmgear.com and http://www.handango.com .

Enjoy the Palm.

LUSH. mmm. LUSH.

Yep. Except that the moisturizer I just got made my skin react a little, so I'm thinking not using that particular product again.

Which Palm did you get? I got a new Tungsten E in December and I love it.

That's the new Toy.

Currently being filled with *things*, like Jewish date programs.


Have you seen the HebCal website? It's what I used to generate holidays on my Palm.

Holy shit!

Why can't you open packages or move things you can't use on Shabbat till sundown? I understand that it's a holiday, but I was interested in where, when and why this particular part of it first happened, if you don't mind telling me and it's not too rude a question to ask,

This sort of thing is really interesting to me, especially since the Southern Baptists idea of a religious observance or tradition seems to run along the lines of 'if you see anyone from church in the liquor store, especially on Sunday, do not aknowlege them and at all costs, act like you don't see them.' That and 'If there is anything that is very popular, especially if the kids like it and it's fun, it must be labled and treated as evil' and 'Knowlege is the root of evil and Satan's toy so we must strive to maintain ignorance.' Well with the noisier Southern Baptists these things apply.

You can only open packages for things you know you *need* to use right then and there (food like tuna or chips, packages of disposable tableware, beverage bottles.) There's no point in opening things, and maybe cutting words (which is erasing and forbidden) and so on for things you can't move.

You can't move things you can't use on the Sabbath because if you move them, you might come to use them. This a rabbinic decree from over 2000 years ago and it has the force of law. The rules regarding "mukseh" - the objects you can't move and the moving of such objects - fill books and books. There's even rules as to how one *can* move them if you absolutely need to for one's Sabbath observence, or to save a life. We do what we can to save a life, but we also do what we can to minimize violations if it won't waste time.

If we see someone we know at the liquor store, we say hi and maybe talk about which wine we're looking for.


First of all, I want to apologize for the heading of that last post, I don't know why it says that, I certainly didn't put it there, but I suspect it has something to do with posting from John's computer. My old monitor quit and I hadn't hooked the spare up to my computer yet.

I think I can understand the 'not erasing' paart, or I think I can. And I do get the not working on the sabbath completely. In general I think most of this makes sense to me. But what do you mean by 'having the force of law'? Could you be fined for it, or face some other form of punishment if someone felt that you didn't move something correctly or that you moved something that didn't really need to be moved? And this may be a stupid question, but can you do things you do to relax and unwind on the Sabbath or Shabbat? Like if you enjoy basketball, is it okay to play? Or I draw or make jewelery for relaxation and occassionally I get paid for it so it can be construed as work. I really can't sit completely idle, I have to have my hands working on something.


Having the force of law means that it's not from the Torah, which *is* actual law, but from the rabbis, so it's more like an extremely strong rule. We don't do punishments anymore - it's between us and God.

As for basketball - well, kids play basketball if they're in an enclosed area so they aren't carrying in public, but it's frowned upon if adults excersise to the point of persperation, and it doesn't look good.

Drawing and jewelry making are completely and absolutely forbidden on the Sabbath - no exceptions, and one cannot benefit from such behavior, such as selling the jewelry one made to earn money. All creative labor is forbidden, and one cannot even move the tools for such labor unless they can and are used for something permitted. The classic example is using a hammer to crack nuts. Hammering nails is utterly forbidden; cracking nuts to eat right then is all right.

I know how you feel about idle hands - it's especially hard at conventions when people around me are knitting or taking notes or just writing and I *can't*. However, in normal circumstances, I don't even think about it - it's as if pens and crotchet hooks do not exist. Next Shabbat, I won't think about the new Toy even once -it was only that it was waiting for me that drove me nuts.