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HP questions

For those of us not caught up in the holiday festivities - or for those who are but need a break from it or from Shabbat prep -



Over the past couple of years, I've heard people refer to Ron as a Seer, even going so far as to give him a brother between Charlie and Percy so that he's actually a seventh son. Can anyone point to instances in the books that might imply that he is, indeed a Seer?

Also. On another note - right now I'm seeing speculation about Wormtail hurting Remus because his hand is silver. And I'm having trouble with that.

Number one - the hand seems more *silvery* than silver. I'll have to reread that bit, but I got the impression that it's a magical construct and doesn't actually contain silver.

Number two - I'm not sure Remus is sensitive to silver. Yes, I know that our mythology has werewolves sensitive to silver, and that can't be ignored, but there's no mention of Remus avoiding the silver cups and plates at Grimmauld Place, and they did make a big deal out of them, with Mundungus trying to see how he could fence them. No mention of Remus using a set of china and stainless steel, for example.

Are the goblets at Hogwarts silver? The plates are golden, so the cups might be, too. And what sort of utensils would he use to eat, given that I don't think they *do* use stainless steel?

My feeling about Remus is that being a werewolf is nothing but a curse for him - he's otherwise as vulnerable as any other wizard to weaponry and attacks. He also must either take a foul potion for a week out of every month or turn into a ravening beast, and his civil rights are severely curtailed.

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if i asked really really nicely, would you in the future put speculation behind a cut for the extremely, irrationally spoiler-phobic? (i readily admit that it's totally irrational. feel free to say no, and i'll find other ways to avoid it.) [big brown puppy-dog eyes]

nowthen. i don't think there's any canon evidence of ron being a seer -- but i think the whole knight-to-king concept is way overthought so i'm not especially sympathetic to Theories That Try To Glorify Ron anyway. my feeling is, he's the hero's best friend -- that's what makes him great. (but, you know me. bah. humbug. [g])

I'm so sorry.

Consider it done in the future - but what was spoiled in that post?

And I find K2K amusing and a lot more acceptable that that awful Remus-is-really-James theory that had been around for a bit (and that Rowling shot down so elegantly) but, yeah, I don't think anyone really buys it.

I like Ron. Ron is vital to the storyline - he's the insider, the cultural guide. He's the best friend. He's the strategist. He's the Heart (that is, he's Xander.) He doesn't need to be a seer.

I'm just wondering where it came from.

i dont think silver is a problem for werewolves unless their stabbed with a silver bullet...right?

and ron? a seer?

It might be poisonous to ingest, even in the quantities that would just be absorbed by food and drink from silver utensils. Or not.

Or its touch might burn him. Or not.

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As far as I know people mainly use Arthur's quote in GoF about coming home to find the Dark Mark hanging over your house to imply that there was an attack that killed a Weasley son. I mean, as theories go, it's more constructing clues to reach a foregone conclusion (based on jokes Ron makes coming true, i.e. Harry will get backstabbed by someone he thought he was a friend = Fake!Moody's treachery) than noticeable hints leading to an answer. Erm, I mean, Ron could be a seer, but the seventh son part of the theory isn't very solidly constructed in my opinion.

I should add, as I originally read the theory, it was based on the idea that Ron was the seventh son of the seventh son. However, we now know from JKR's site that Arthur is one of only three brothers, and I can't help but think that she may have put that tidbit up there precisely to disprove that theory.

I should add, as I originally read the theory, it was based on the idea that Ron was the seventh son of the seventh son. However, we now know from JKR's site that Arthur is one of only three brothers, and I can't help but think that she may have put that tidbit up there precisely to disprove that theory.

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dude, i give up.

I have to admit that I can't find the exact quote to paste (damn my only .pdf files of the books! *laughs*) but I do vividly recall mention of Remus picking up a silver goblet and drinking from it in OotP, just like everyone else.

So, I don't think he's sensitive to silver, no, and that the fact that Peter's hand is silver is just a red-herring. (The other option being, of course, that it's a flint.)

- Andrea.

The idea that the ordinary wizarding family would use silver is, I'm afraid, a bit unrealistic. They probably eat off of ordinary china and use stainless steel (which has been around for cheap flatware for over a century - certainly much longer than the radio, which wizards do use and know about). If they used anything besides stainless it would likely be pewter, which is silver-free.
Other possibilities: wood, horn, bone, ceramic, cast iron.

I also seriously doubt that the Blacks used nothing *but* silver dinner service; probably that was for good, while the china and steel were for everyday, just as it is in most rich families.

As for the silver allergy...I wouldn't be surprised if Wormtail uses the silver hand to attempt to kill Remus at some point. It's way too obvious, the remaining Marauders killing each other....

I'll buy that for ordinary families, but if they set the table for *stew* with the Black silver, I'm going to guess that, well, ordinary stuff wasn't available.

I'm going to reserve judgement on the silver allergy. For years, I was convinced that Severus gave Remus his wolfsbane in a silver goblet in PoA, but that's not the case - my mind sees "silver" next to goblet even when that's just not true. (And anyway, there could well be a magical reason for using silver in that case, so it wouldn't prove anything.)

I don't think Ron is a Seer in canon, but damnit if that doesn't completely steal an idea I had for fandom. Damnit, is nothing original anymore?!!

I don't think Remus is allergic to silver, and he may not even be killed with a silver bullet. There's lots of instances of 'muggle' ideas about mythical creatures being completely false in the books, so this may be just another sidetrack to make us look other ways.

I don't think it's so much the fact that Peter's hand is silver as it is METAL. A metal hand is definately a lot stronger than a flesh one, especially if you're going to strangle someone with your bare hands....

I believe the idea that Ron is a seer comes from the fact that pretty much everything he predicts/foresees in canon actually does come true. Check out some of the 'joke' prophecies he makes for Divination, and then think about subsequent events. I'm pretty sure someone has put all these instances together in a post somewhere.

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The entry on werewolves in "Fantastic Beasts & Where To Find Them" says nothing about silver, so I don't think that Rowling's werewolves are sensitive to it.

And if Ron were a Seer, I think we'd have gotten more hints about it by now. Like Trelawney going out of her way to say that he lacked the Sight, or Harry noticing how good Ron's guesses are.

One example I remember in CoS is when Ron was joking about what Tom Riddle got his 'special services' award for, and he joked "maybe he killed moaning myrtle, that would have done everyone a favour" or something like that.

I think there are more examples strewn throughout the books, but it's stuff like that that make people get these theories. That an Trelawny saying to Ron "your aura is pulsing" (approx.) in the movie and Rowling making remarks about things in the future books being hinted at in the movie.

Or maybe they think that Ron just isn't 'spechsul' enough. Who knows?

The first reference I ever saw to Ron's being a seer was in Cassie Claire's Draco Trilogy (specifically in ch 12 of Draco Sinister, where Rowena Ravenclaw, on a trip the trio take back in time, identifies him as both a diviner and a seventh son - don't be impressed, all done by Search in Explorer on my hard drive). Given the Trilogy's influence on fandom, and its date of writing, that may be one origin for the idea. I think Cassie invented an intervening son, who died in infancy, to make Ron the seventh, but I can't track that down. Cassie also related Ron's ability with chess to his being a diviner - microsecond foreseeing.

That's entirely possible. I should ask my husband - he's the Cassie Claire fan in the family.

You know, though, the idea that Ron is good at chess because he can see the future instead of him being good at strategy...that bothers me.

I want him good at strategy. It's a skill neither Harry nor Hermione have and it's an important one.

Remus and Silver

Many accepted werewolf theories state that the werewolf can touch silver (yes, just as many say NO), however if the silver falls upon an open WOUND, it will burn the said werewolf.

Re: Remus and Silver

I'd wonder about ingesting silver, though.

Silver can be highly reactive. I routinely drink wine from a silver goblet, and it does affect the taste. Now, the amount would be miniscule, so it might not have an effect at all. And, of course, it can have any affect on Remus that JK Rowling wants it to. :)