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Harry as Spoiled Rotten

I just read post where someone said she didn't like Gryffindors, which is, of course, a matter of opinion.

But someone responding to her post said that Harry was a spoiled rotten brat, and, well.


I don't get it. I really don't get it. I mean, I'm not saying people have to like the character, but "spoiled rotten brat"? Brat is a matter of opinion, but "spoiled rotten"? The boy who lived in a cupboard until he was almost eleven? (I have to say, when I first saw "The boy who lived", I thought of it as meaning, "The boy who did nothing but live. Didn't hope, didn't dream, didn't care. Just lived." And, you know, that pretty well describes his pre-letter life.)

He was made the youngest Seeker in centuries and given a fancy broom. This is special, but A. he didn't ask for it and B. it wasn't personal. That is, McGonagall had a hole in her House Quidditch team roster. She needed it filled or there would be no Quidditch cup, and I'm guessing none of the second years qualified enough. She looked out a window and saw one of her Gryffindors flying spectacularly, and took action. It happened to be Harry. If it had been Neville or Dean or Hermione or Lavender who was doing that sort of flying, it would be one of *them* on the team, not Harry. If, on the other hand, there had been a decent Seeker on the team already, Harry probably would have lost some points. As it was, he managed to lose more points with McGonagall than Snape ever took off. Because he does get punished for his actions when he gets caught. And he doesn't protest those punishments, either. Not even in book five, when he should have.

He gets punished for Dobby's actions both at home and in the Wizarding world. He doesn't get punished in PoA for similar actions because Sirius escaped and he needed to be kept safe. And, yes, I do think that was because he was Harry, but *Harry* didn't ask for or expect such treatment. He expected to be expelled and wasn't even going to protest it. Because, you know, spoiled rotten kids never protest fair treatment.

When it comes to GoF - the only reason he got special treatment at all was because of Barty, Jr, and he'd have been extremely happy to not have gone through the Triwizard at all, thank you very much. He didn't want to do it in the first place.

As for OotP - he's left alone with those relatives of his after a major trauma - seeing a friend die, seeing Pettigrew maim himself, seeing his own blood being used to resurrect Voldemort and then fighting him, and let's not forget the ghosts of his parents and taking Cedric's body back to Hogwarts. And how is he rewarded? By being threatened with expulsion for saving his and his cousin's lives. Is he over the top? I'm surprised he didn't scream and shout so much in earlier books. In fact, he's remarkably nonviolent given everything - just loudness until the very end, and then he took all his anger and grief out on nonliving objects.

Comments

Reading that post my first thought was that the person was just trying to be provocative. I think it's got to be an intentional exaggeration of things that the poster just doesn't like.

I've even found that description (spoiled brat) to be too simplistic for Draco--and he obviously really is a spoiled brat. It just glosses over things I see in the character. So for Harry it's even more misleading. And that's unfortunate because it probably covers up any valid points the person has about him.

I'm actually torn about Draco and spoiledness. (Dudley is the real example of a spoiled brat, and Draco, for all his faults, is not a bad in that respect as Dudley.) It's clear he's endulged, but his father does find ways to put him down, and in front of strangers. And you know my theory about the broomsticks for Slytherin - I think Draco did deserve to be the Seeker for his team and would have gotten on regardless. So why did Lucius buy the brooms? He had to know how it would look. Malfoys know all about appearences.

He did it to help his own position - "Look, Flint, I bought brooms for your boy and the rest of his team. You owe me." and, I think, as a weapon in case Draco turned. "I own you. You're worthless. You couldn't even get on your Quidditch team without me. And you can't even beat Potter!" Draco knows he belongs on the team anyway, but he can't prove it.

Yes, I do hate Lucius. His actions during CoS - putting Tom Riddle's diary into Ginny's basket - my goodness. If he knew what he was doing, it means he knew he was at the very least endangering the life of an eleven year old girl, and it was only purest luck (far too much luck, actually) that those affected by the Basilisk were only Petrified, not killed. If he knew, he had to have meant their deaths. And he had to have known, or Dobby wouldn't have tried to keep Harry from coming to Hogwarts.

Jason Isaacs is gorgeous, but Lucius Malfoy is evil.

I am totally with you on all those things--it's part of what I find interesting about Draco vs. Dudley, really. Dudley is soft, Draco is pointy. I think Draco is in a situation where he's both indulged and treated very badly--Lucius' put-downs in Borgin & Burkes really bother me. I can't see them like people do who think Lucius is just "worried about his grades." (No, he's just humiliating him in front of a shopkeeper and telling him if he does well it's because of his blood and if he fails it's is fault and he should be doubly ashamed because a Muggleborn beat him.)


It's no wonder Draco lashes out exactly the way he does when Hermione uses the brooms Lucius bought to humiliate him. (And ITA he belongs on the team.)

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Basically, HP is a good place to learn about bad parenting. Compared to the Dursleys and the Malfoys (and possibly the Blacks and the Snapes), the Weasleys *are* a model family. At least, the kids aren't spoiled or abused - and even they have apparently lost one son to outside forces. (I'm warming to the idea that Percy is working undercover, but as it stands, he's rejected his family as much as Sirius rejected his.)

And, yes, Dudley has been damaged as much as Harry has been - but there are some positive signs. He kept to his diet both at home and at school, and boxing, even if the boxer is relying on brute strength, requires training and discipline. Which means Dudley has learned to achieve real goals.

You know, I do wonder what sort of life either boy would have had if Vernon and Petunia had been, well, different people.

I was just yesterday talking to someone about how screwed up poor Dudley has been. His whole life, his parents have had no clear idea of who he is or what he's like; they've been interacting with a picture in their heads of the Perfect Son. They don't address his flaws because they don't see them. And that means they don't see him. Dudley's got nothing. And at some level he's got to be aware of that.

And the person I was talking to about it suggested that that's what he saw when he was attacked by the Dementors.

Jason Isaacs is gorgeous, but Lucius Malfoy is evil.
And I think thats something a lot of people forget. Because after the movie Lucius became far more popular.

I know I spent CoS drooling, and I don't normally do things like that.

Evil can, after all, look *fabulous.*

(Why do so many drama queens come from Slytherin?)

Evil can, after all, look *fabulous.*

An then people try and make him out to be nice. Becasue if he's gorgeous, he must not really be evil. And then it all just goes downhill.

(Because if you're not a total sneak or a drama queen they eat you?)