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Fascinating article

This article "Red Sex, Blue Sex" in the current New Yorker offers an interesting explanation as to why the Evangelicals were not bothered by Bristol Palin's pregnancy.

And just who the "family values" crowd really is in practice.


Wow. How depressing. Those poor people.

It really is. Those poor girls in particular.

I grew up in West Virginia. This is a very TRUE article, and so I didn't find it depressing; what I found it was enlightening, because it explained so much of what I saw growing up.

The whole thing strikes me as so very odd. It's such a different mindset than what Orthodox Jews have, if nothing else.

I'd love to see a study on Orthodox Jews - affects of sexual segregation, young (if post-teen) marriages, sexuality in spite of these things.

Hi-ho, Silver!

Vewy intewesting...

The article mentioned "the silver ring thing" and that was the first time I'd ever heard of it being a symbol for abstinence. I've been wearing silver rings for years as part of my religious and psychic path. In my homeworld's religion, silver represents water in the psychic sense, and you wear the ring either on a finger or on a chain to help focus psychic energy. If you lose it that means the ring is full and will be found next by somebody who needs that kind of energy. I found (and lost) my first one back in the 80s and have been through half a dozen. Galana (back when she was Galana) got a silver ring for our handfasting but lost it at that Lunacon in that awful hotel in the Meadowlands.

Re: Hi-ho, Silver!

Just did some research on "the silver ring thing."

It used to be federally funded until someone realized it was religious in nature.

It costs to attend the concerts and the programs and to buy the rings, and they treat it as a business, not just a calling. (If you lose the ring, it costs even more to replace it, by the way. Speaking of losing silver rings.)

And, of course, it doesn't work - it only postpones matters.

I have a silver ring, set with a turquoise (not sure if stones make a difference here.) My mother gave it to me for my 20th birthday. There was a time when I lost it, about 18 years ago, but I found it and I've been wearing it ever since.

Re: Hi-ho, Silver!

Then by my religion, you needed to store that energy away until it was needed again. Btw, they're also supposed to be cleaned regularly so they don't fill up so fast. I lost one somewhere in my apartment and it's probably waiting for Samantha to move away before it reappears.

As for stones, they're optional; the ring is supposed to be just silver but adding a stone (esp. a birthstone) brings up all the energies semiprecious stones are supposed to generate. I won't go into comparisons of Terran v. Sartine energy indications. Maybe I'll put it in a zine (or future novel).

Re: Hi-ho, Silver!

Silver Ring Thing is very specific. I think it even has specific rings.

A gold band is for the husband to give, so Daddy gives a silver one instead.

Re: Hi-ho, Silver!

It's not Daddy. That's a purity ball. The kids buy their own rings at SRT events.

Strikes me it's rather for profit.

That article made a real impression on me too. Though it does match what I've seen of how many people think.

Not that people won't be hypocritical about it. Bill O'Reilly was happy to defend Bristol's pregnancy since her family would pay for it, but he blamed Jamie Lynn Spears' pregnancy at the same age on the "pinhead parents."

From my point of view (raised non-Orthodox Jew), it's a failure of the parents in both cases.

My mother told me last week that if I'd shown signs of sexual activity in high school, she'd have sat me down and told me the facts of contraception. She'd already made plans. I suspect I'd've been on the Pill before college if she thought it was necessary. Note that high school was late seventies, so we were at most worried about herpes.

I have a wonderful, pragmatic mother.

As I was a social outcast in high school (and college), that was never a factor, and she trusted me to do the right thing as an adult.

your mom sound remarkably like mine, sometimes.

my mother, when I was 13, said to me "Honey, if you decide to start having sex, I will not be happy. But I will pay for birth control. And you'd better use birth control, OR I WILL KILL YOU."


I find that article eye-opening and somewhat bizarre, coming from a different evangelical (Irish) background, where an unmarried pregnancy is viewed as a disaster, and it's expected that you'll remain a virgin until marriage, which tends to take place in the early twenties. Most of the young couples wait till the late twenties or early thirties before starting a family. There is no hoopla about pledges or rings, though some parents ban/discourage their children from dating until 16 or 18, and there is a sort of tradition where the young adults will have discussion with the teenagers, and group-based activities, which, while the pairing-off will happen, seems to delay it somewhat.

It works pretty well, compared to what the articles describes; I know of only one out-of-marriage pregnancy, at twenty, and while she took the same route of getting married as the girls in the article, it seems to be working out happily enough. It doesn't have a great deal in common with the red sex of the article.

I couldn't understand where all these religious right Americans were coming from, because I was assuming a similar situation to my own subculture. Shows where assumptions get you.

It's an excellent article.

And it goes with my perception: As long as you say the right words, you can get away with anything. It's ALL about keeping up appearances.

My mother was horrified to learn I'd been sexually active before I got married. (I married at 21). I'd given such a good impersonation of a prude, she actually sat me down for a talk before the wedding.

OTOH, my sister was sexually active at 15, made no bones about it, and Mom calmly put her on the Pill.

The whole idea is to marry them young, breed them hard and never let them find out anything else. Some sects discourage driving for women, and most discourage college. This is why young people raised in this culture leave at a rate of about 80%.